From The Mineral Of Mines Of Utah To The Rose Bowl And Corn Belt - Russell Taylor

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[Yeager] Science. It's fun for some, mind boggling for others. We're going to mind boggling today here on the MToM podcast. I'm Paul Yeager. This is our installment. This week we are going to talk with Russell Taylor from Emery, Utah. He is going to join us from the middle of a mine that has impact on fields like this. Both corn fields and the Rose Bowl. We're going to talk about the same product that can be used in both and how it can help growth. It's a natural product that works with nitrogen. We're going to talk about carbon corn, keeping things in the soil, soil health from a person who was recognized in 2023 as his role as the Certified Crop Advisor Conservationist of the year award, he was recognized in 2023. We're going to talk about the climate of 2025 and what that means, both with federal policy and also local policy from, say, Utah to Iowa to Tennessee. That is the discussion in this week. a little note here. Taylor is the vice president of Live Earth Products, and we're going to join him in the middle of where it all began on this installment of the MtoM podcast. Okay, now you're just flexing Russell. That's a pretty nice view behind you there, I get it. Utah's got mountains. What? Tell me where you're at.

[Russell Taylor] I'm at our mine here in Emery, Utah. Will you. Mine and manufacture humains. So this backdrop here is just a picture of the mine humaines.

[Yeager] What's that?

[Taylor] So we might have mineral deposit. That is. Think of it as an ancient forest floor. So 75 million years ago, what you see behind me was a tropical forest like the Amazon. And through the thousands and thousands of years that organic matter stacked up and is now trapped underneath the sandstone layer you see behind me, the, humic shale is used in different industries dietary supplements, cosmetics, animal feeds and fertilizers.

[Taylor] So it's a nice agricultural input.

[Yeager] How long has that mine been operational, though?

[Taylor] My father opened the mine in the early 80s. It's kind of a sad story to begin with, but, it resulted from a coal mine fire that my father was in. 27 people died in that fire. And, my father decided to leave the coal mine and use his mining knowledge elsewhere. They were searching the desert out here, looking for, tar sands, oil shales, part of the 80s Superfund money. And they found this deposit here, and they said, well, it's not what we're looking for. It might make a good fertilizer or something. And the group moved on. So my father decided to place the claim and, took $50, went to the states that would like to mine this property. And actually, you know, started from ground zero. I was nine years old at the time.

[Yeager] And did he, I mean, yes, it sounded like he had a little bit of experience in mining, but does everybody just have that experience there, when they're around mines and mountains?

[Taylor] Okay. No, no, no, it's he had some mining knowledge, but yeah, the uses of the product for humic shale were still a little bit nascent. And so developing the, the industry that we're into now, I mean, we sell into multiple industries agriculture, dietary supplements, cosmetics, animal feeds and fertilizers. So what created this was just a lot of hard work, you know, take a dollar, put it on the table. Make two would do that for the last 35 years. So, you know, I got all kinds of fun stories about driving heavy equipment as a young kid, helping my father prepare the mining supplies. you can't make this stuff up. It's the real American dream.

[Yeager] And do you still have an active role in it?

[Taylor] Yeah, yeah. So I'm vice president of the company. I do a lot of outside sales. I'm also our lead agronomist, so I do a lot of, in the field work with the farmers and growers and distributors. So. Yeah. Actively involved. I get less day to day, handling explosives, which is a huge downside. But, it's a lot of fun. What we do, you know, we're helping to improve lives, both, human nutrition and soil nutrition.

[Yeager] Help me out here, because I don't quite get the line between a mine and an agronomist and why that's needed. I mean, you've said what products come out of that, so I. I can kind of draw the line, but I need you to do that for me. Russell.

[Taylor] Yeah. So let's connect the dots here. Nutrients is the, and result of decomposition. So when you put compost or manure or those kind of things on the ground through microbial degradation, you take those act organic matter and you turn them into stable organic matter, which ends up being humic acid, folic acid and human. Those components of your stable organic matter contribute to things like water conservation, nutrient retention, improving soil texture and structure. So by applying that with your fertilizers, farmers are able to improve their fields and improve their nutrient utilization. So it's kind of a way of, speeding up the process instead of putting compost or manure down, you're putting something that is already degraded and fully ready to be able to contribute to that soil vitality.

[Yeager] Okay, I looked where Emery is. It's in the center of the state of Utah, so there's mines around you. But give me a little wider picture. What is in, you know, in 20 to 100 miles all around you? What would I see if I was on the ground there?

[Taylor] Desert rocks. Emery is a town of 200 people. there's actually signs on the interstate, just just over the hill here that say no services, 110 miles. It's literally in the middle of nowhere. So if you kept on going about two hours to the southeast, you might find Moab, two hours to the north, you might find Salt Lake City, or really just in the middle of nowhere. if you wanted to say, go to McDonald's, that’s an hour drive there an hour drive back. So, the there's just no services in town, no restaurants. It's you're in the middle of nowhere.

[Yeager] Which has its own, discussion we could do, but…

[Taylor] It's just really quiet.

[Yeager] Quiet. There you go. And dark. Right. Because you don't have a lot of that light pollution from all those houses and and industries.

[Taylor] Yeah, absolutely. We actually have one of those certified light pollution free areas where you can come do night photographs out here near us in Goblin Valley. So come to Utah, we have beautiful night nights to see the stars.

[Yeager] As an agronomist. Then how, where are the farmers? What are the farmers growing and how close are they to where you're at?

[Taylor] So we ship products internationally. So our products were used in Japan, Malaysia, South Africa, Poland. The the neat thing about the products we mine is they contribute to your soil organic matter. So anywhere where you've got low soil organic matter, you can use these products used by cannabis growers. They're used by turf growers. Live Earth Products has been a proud corporate partner with the Rose Bowl stadium since 2006. So it's not just, you know, one crop. You know, there are plenty of people that are growing corn that use our humic acid, and there's definitely an application for it. But yeah, it's anything with roots is where our products will be used and use well.

[Yeager] you're going to have to help me on the definitions because is your product considered then a natural product?

[Taylor] Yes. So certified organic, it's just all plant material. What these organic products are is just fully degraded, ancient plant material that has gone down to a very stable, sequestered carbon, which they call humic and full acid. So, yes, natural certified organic. And what's in there is actually three components. You have the organic acids, you have a little bit of occurring natural acidity and then also the trace minerals. So a lot of times we're isolating the minerals for certain applications. And sometimes we're just selling the organic acids. Typically those are used in nutrient stabilization and soil aggregate formation.

[Yeager] What's the supply like? I mean is this one of those things? I mean, when you talk about all the what it takes to make this product, through the earth, we're talking thousands, millions of years, I'm guessing, how quickly, quickly is the product made?

[Taylor] Though? It's not made quickly. It takes a lot of time to make. And so, yeah, you're right that we're not making more right here, but there's more being made all over the United States in the world and in peat bogs and Everglades and the Amazons. So here we can. Sobek acid is the end result of decomposition. So to give you a, like a comparison, maybe 50 pounds if you made, would equal about 1,500 pounds of compost or manure before the degradation process. So, but it takes a lot of material to do that, over time, you know, it does slowly, accumulate in the soil so you can't build your own humic and phobic acids by doing things like cover crop. You know, those things that the USDA, NRCs encourages you to do. But by applying the raw material, like you see behind me, that's more of a fast forward button, like, look, we really need to get the soil. We've been we've been rough on the soil for a long time. We need to start doing some real reconditioning. And so that's why they use it.

[Yeager] You mentioned the places that you've shipped. And, you know, I'm thinking about, processing that, you know. Yeah. Turf. Okay. but you did say corn producers. Are there certain areas that where they're growing corn that this works best?

[Taylor] So here's the interesting part. Now, when you're building up soil organic matter that does a few things in the soil, store, nutrient store, water and those kind of things, when we extract the organic acids and then fully apply them to the corn, we actually get a bio stimulant response where you're seeing something that researchers are saying, hey, there's something here that's going on beyond the nutrition of the plant. And so we've done multiple studies, you know, University of Tennessee and some research in Iowa. And we found that the humic acid will generally get about ten more bushels of corn when we're applying that foliar on the plant. there's several research pieces out there and some done by the, the, USDA office there in Ames, Iowa. And there's some really good research showing that humic acids do help improve corn growth.

[Yeager] And it's a generalized area because I'm thinking of, you know, the area around Ames, the area where I'm sitting today in the field behind me in northeast Iowa, that's a heavy area. I can tell you for certain. What gets put on that field is a lot of hog manure. That is a different level of, and there's products done and there's some cover crops going in here now, in a couple of these spots, but does it work with manure? Does it work in place of manure or other products? I mean, is this replacing something or working with something.

[Taylor] Or it's working with something? And I'll give you an example. We recently did a trial with the University of Tennessee, and we were going we were dressing the corn. So this is very young corn maybe V6 okay. And they were going out with 210 pounds of urea. Now we backed that trial off 180 pounds and then 150 pounds. So we wanted to find the optimal point where we were impacting nutrient utilization. With 150 pounds. We added a urea Ace inhibitor called anvil, and we actually increased our yield from 179 bushels up into the low 90s. So we got a nice bushel gain. Then we added the humic acid with it, and we actually went up to 209 bushels of corn when the 210 pound of urea got 179. So you're probably thinking, hey, the math isn't math here. I added more fertilizer and I got less, less, you know, bushels. What's going on? And what it is, is sometimes that nitrogen just doesn't have an opportunity to be used by the corn before it's lost. Volatiles are converted. So when you're using products like humic acid with your nitrogen, what you're trying to do is you're trying to get that plant to have a longer opportunity to use that nitrogen for its lost vaults or are converted. And so by impacting your nutrient use efficiency, depending on your soil texture, it can impact the amount of nitrogen you do use. So in this trial was a very light sandy soil with very low CEC, which is your cation exchange capacity and that sandy soil didn't hold the nitrogen, so they were giving them 210 pounds of urea and the soil just couldn't hold it. It couldn't hold 180 when we got down to 150 was actually helping stabilize it. So that's the trick. Using these products to let that pair have a better opportunity to utilize the inputs such as nitrogen, water.

[Yeager] If it's not used, is it? forgive me because science and me aren't always friends, so forgive me if I ask a lot of questions that might. You might have already enlightened us on. But is it? Is it stuck in the soil? I mean, you talk about loss, but I mean, is that something that it has to be planted to core next year or it just kind of hangs around until the next crop?

[Taylor] So what happens is there is a conversion process. So nitrogen or urea can be converted into ammonium. And then go to the air as a gas or volatiles. So it just disappears through the heat. The other option is there are conversion processes that convert that urea into through microbial action into nitrates, which are leached away from the soil, into the aquifer, and therefore it no longer available to the plant. So the ideal situation is to keep keep the nitrogen in the root zone. And, you know, some of that nitrogen could be mineralized and actually attached to the carbons. But for the most part we're trying to keep it in a stable form, retain in the roots a longer. So yeah it's just not hidden from the plant. It just got taken away from the plant root zone through leaching in the water. Or convert conversion to a get.

[Yeager] And that's what I wanted to you know you said leaching. So again I'm going to point to what's behind me. There's some terraces I mean water quality holding water on, on property is always a thing that's talked about of we need to not put stuff into waterways and eventually into rivers and streams and drinking water. How does this hold up in that discussion?

[Taylor] So the key to it is actually twofold, your cation exchange capacity so that your CSI, DC is, the ability to hold positively charged ions. Right. So you could make a list of things you're trying to attach to the soil. Calcium, potassium, magnesium. Well, one of them is also ammonium. Ammonium is a positively charged nitrogen. And so by attaching to the nitrogen, the organic acids stabilize that nitrogen makes it bigger. So that's how you're doing it. You try to keep that nitrogen attached to the humic acid. What's interesting when you when you talk about soil health, you know, in your soil classes in college, they talk about carbon and nitrogen ratio. And, you know, it's you want a carbon neutral ratio of 20 to 1 for a healthy soil. And you'll be getting these really good ratios of how it works. Now, if you go to a farmer and say, okay, let's talk about, you know, what do you do with your nitrogen? He'll tell you, oh, I put, you know, 200 units down and you'll just detail it out. This is exactly what I did for my nitrogen. Okay. What do you do for your carbon? Now, stabilize that nitrogen because there's a, you know, intrinsic relationship there, and it's always crickets. You're like, oh, I have to worry about my carbon and that's it. But that's the whole point is, in the past it was really easy to be inefficient with nitrogen simply because it was so cheap. You know, when urea, you know, several years ago was $200 a ton, we could just spread it out wherever water you want more yield, just keep on throw the area. You know, in 2022, when urea prices were to $1,200 a ton, all of a sudden, you know, farmers were coming back to me and said, Russ, tell me about that, that nutrient use efficiency thing again. Let's talk now because, you know, when significantly impacted, you know, the farmers budgets. So it's, it was interesting to see how the role of conservation, took the front seat when the prices of inputs, like nitrogen went up so high.

[Yeager] Well, there was a group, that was commenting on to me when I'd be in public about, well, these high fertilizer prices are actually going to help our water because there won't be as much use because it's so expensive. You're saying. Yes, that's been true, but it's also helping. It sounds like the farmers that you've been talking to have been looking to make their use not just less, but efficient. Is that what you found?

[Taylor] Yeah. So the truth of it is, is 300 bushel corn is still going to use the same amount of nitrogen. and what, what you're trying to address is the nitrogen that is lost to the inefficiencies. So we're not trying to reduce the nitrogen use, you know, use the same amount of nitrogen to get your yield. But we're trying to reduce those losses. So yeah, in the end that's the goal. We want less nitrogen in the aquifer and more in the corn. And so by using these products you're trying to impact that and improve it.

[Yeager] You have, did you find when you started that this was going to be this product was it. I won't necessarily sound like it's a savior, but it was going to be so helpful to a farmer. Did you have any idea when it was discovered that this could really make a difference?

[Taylor] What was funny is when we were doing this in the 80s, you know, the whole concept of regenerative agriculture and, you know, it was just a foreign concept. You know, it's kind of like being cool long before it was cool. But, you know, being a being, a thought leader on something two, two decades before it was becoming, interesting. So, yeah, we were excited and ambitious, but, you know, at the time, your nitrogen is so cheap, it didn't really translate for farmers. But yeah, it just took time for to take on. But now, you know, talking about soil health and soil organic matter, it's not so taboo. It's not a bunch of hippies out there. They're trying to save the earth. But actually, you know, people are being very mindful of conservation and the goals of conservation.

[Yeager] Since you talk about international and national, I mean, you probably been dealing with farmers all across the country. Do you find certain regions that are more embracing, what you're talking about quicker than others?

[Taylor] Yeah, sure. So, California really seems to be embracing some of these ideas. you see, regenerative agriculture talked about all the time. You know, they're still defining it. So everybody wants it. They just they're not 100% sure what it is yet. But, you know, soil health is is absolutely embraced. You know, the closer you get to the coast on that side of the state, you know, some of the Midwest, they're they're starting to, you know, look at these ideas about, you know, first, you know, nitrates in the water. You know, that's a growing issue. What I think is got some attention. And so building your soil organic matter is started to, you know, manifest in ways like no till, you know, strip till those kind of things where we're trying to maximize cover, minimize erosion, minimize, nutrient loss, those kind of things. So it's slowly gaining momentum and I'm excited to see it be a part of it.

[Yeager] I had a conversation with a farmer in northern Minnesota, not too long ago, and he talked about some of the practices that he'd been doing as he retired. He wanted the people who were taking over his land, renting it to continue some of the, the, the no till and cover crop things that he's been doing because it had taken so long for the soil to get to the point that it is, is this concept that you're talking about like the I mean, you're both natural products. I don't mean it in that sense, but the the, the, the cover year after year or the holding of the carbon year after year takes time. Does your product take as much time to have as impact? that the other way is or are they working independently, together or apart? Three questions. They're just pick any.

[Taylor] So it's together and I'll try to go through some quick math okay. So if you took an acre of soil 6 to 8in deep, so full depth, and he took all that soil and the acre plot it up and he made a pile, you're going to get about 2 million pounds of soil. So if you were wanted to change that soil organic matter, 1%, you know, 1% of 2 million pounds is going to be about 20,000 pounds of pure, stable organic matter. Now, the USDA, NRCs says you've got to do 10 to 1 conversion. So every 10 pounds of active organic matter you put down, you're going to get 1 pound of stable carbon that ends up back in the soil. So quick math says that's about 200,000 pounds. Compost, manure or stover per acre. You look at that go. Plus, that's a lot of material, you know, how do we do that? And you're not going to do that by applying our product. You're not going to do that by applying a compost manure. It's going to be through a combination of multiple practices. So the first thing you do is going to reduce your tillage. Reduce your tillage reduces your oxidization of the organic matter. And you're not destroying the organic matter that's already there. But step one. Step two is going to always keep green roots growing in the soil, whether it's cover crop, whether it's the crop itself, always keep very much growing because those roots are contributing organic matter through microbial, growth, through, mucilage, through roots that are living and dying, root exudate, all that contributes to soil organic matter. In the last step is addressing your inputs, trying to add organic matter as is anytime you can. So humic, humid and humic acids, you know those things are all part of that process. So you're not going to do that in one year. There's a program through the USDA and it's called the 1% challenge. Change your soil again. So organic matter 1%. Now in the brochure you're thinking, okay, change about 1%. That sounds easy. But the estimate if you embrace these ideas, it's going to take you about 3 to 8 years to change the soil organic matter to get that, you know, 20,000 pounds of stable organic matter. Now, why would we do that? You know, why is the farmer saying, great, Russ, what's my math here? Well, let's say you're dry. You're running dry land corn and you change the soil organic matter 1% and you're relying on the rain to water that crop 1% change the organic matter will conserve 30,000 more gallons of water per acre. That's what fills up swimming pools. That's a lot of water.

[Yeager] And in an environment where water is becoming, it seems more scarce.

[Taylor] Right, right. And so conservation is key. Conserving water. Now, what a lot of farmers don't realize is sometimes that water racing through your soil profile isn't nutrient void. You know, it's carrying nutrients with it. So that's the reason you know you're impacting nutrient use. Efficiency is by keeping those nutrients in the roots no longer. Now, the other portion that I haven't mentioned really is the formation of your soil structure. So you saw colloid as two functions. Right. So one of them is, you know, be the host for soil microbes. And the second one is actually through capillary action, those micro pores in your soil will hold more water. So capillary action, if you put a straw into your glass of water, what you would see is that water kind of pulls up that straw a little bit. It's called capillary action. And so what happens is that water that's it's held in the soil. You could hold more of it by creating more of those capillaries. So that structures by creating that structure you're creating more room for air oxygen, water roots. And that's where you're seeing these corn, plants thrive. And get more yield simply because you've improved that soil structure. So it's just not, you know, it's not a bug in a jug or a you know, snake oil. These products have real, you know, scientific merit and how they work.

[Yeager] And other people have thought that you have some merit. I, my understanding is, you were a, named conservationist of the year. Tell me about that award. Where did it come from?

[Taylor] Okay, so, yeah, in 2023, I received the a certified crop advisor, conservationist of the year award. And, it's an award. It's there's several groups that are involved in that, the NRCs, the, I don't have the name of the all the, groups involved. maybe you can splash up on the screen somewhere and show people, but it's, they fly out to DC to give you a nice award. You get to meet all the higher ups in the both in Congress, even. I got to meet all four corners of the, committees in Congress, full Senate and, and, and, the House. So, yeah. Big deal. it's a pretty cool award. a lot of the work I did was for improving laws for farmers and bio stimulants. So that's part of the work I did for my conservation and got recognized for. I'm excited about 2025. There's going to be some neat things going on. We're finally going to get a farm bill. I'm happy to see that that there's a there's energy to get that tackled. The one thing that is going to be included in the farm bill is actually two that I'm excited about, the, the Plant Bio stimulant Act as the one that I'm most excited about that is changing the laws. Sephora, which is the Federal Insecticide and Fungicide Rodenticide Act and include products like plant based stimulants. Now, most farmers aren't aware of how sniffer works, and I'm happy to explain it, but it's kind of an old clunky law that it really doesn't, foster innovation.

[Yeager] Oh, I'm. We love clunky. You better explain it now, Russell.

[Taylor] All right. So sure. So the way FIFRA works is it captured everything and anything that accelerated or retarded organisms growth was considered a pesticide. Now, a pesticide is for rodenticides and insecticides and herbicides and aldehydes. It's all of them. And I'll give you an example on the plant use. So let's use plants for example. Everything is considered a pesticide if accelerates or retards plant growth. So the through exemption they let things out say okay you're not a pesticide. And so the exemptions are nutrients flight nutrients are exempted. soil amendments are exempted. Microbial inoculates are exempted. There was one category called vitamin. The hormones for horticultural use was exempted. The last one that was exempted was called, nutritional chemicals. Now, the interesting thing about nutritional chemicals, it was never defined. So because there's no definition, it is not allowed for use for commerce. So now let's take our three five exemptions and apply them to something. Let's say, for example water. Water is neither macronutrient nor micronutrients. Not a soil amendment. You go through the list. Water doesn't qualify as anything when you apply it to the plant. Accelerates plant growth.

Would water be a pesticide? And depending on the claims you make, the answer is yes. So that's the problem. So so some of these newer products let's say for example humic acids like the product manufactured now it really doesn't fit any one of those categories when you apply it to the soil. Yes, it's a soil. When you apply it directly to the plant, it's not. So therefore applying humic acid to apply. It's a regulated, active, considered a pesticide that goes into other products such as kelp extracts and all these new and novel things you say, oh, okay, well, you know what's wrong with kelp? Is it a pesticide? No, no. But when you fully apply it to the plant, it doesn't fall in any exemption and therefore it qualifies as a pesticide. So what we're trying to do is streamline it, update the pesticide laws so the farmers have better access to these tools.

[Yeager] Do you get concerned that the pesticide I mean, that's a word that is going to be attacked, that is a word that is vital to those growing food all over the country, all over the world. So do you feel that this is going to be a hard fight, harder fight?

[Taylor] No, I don't think so. We've done a lot of ground work. I've had a lot of meetings with the EPA. one thing I didn't mention earlier in the call, but, I probably should mention now, there is an international association of human gas manufacturers like myself called the Humic Product Trade Association, and I do represent the humic Product Trade association as president. So founded 2010 specifically for this reason, to help combat some of the problems facing our industry and to go, change some of the laws that are unfairly regulating our products. So, sometimes I say we I forget to tell people that, you know, I do represent this industry as, as president, and I joke, I'm the guy at the end of the pitchfork. I just, I just don't know which ended the pitchfork. I'm on. So, but but it is fun. It's. I do enjoy the work, going out to DC and and lobbying on behalf of farmers and agronomists because what I'm doing will improve the tools that farmers have available to them. It should improve, pesticide law and it should improve, how we use these products. So, I can't really see any downsides other than it's fostering innovation and giving opportunities for farmers to have more access and good information for these products.

[Yeager] One, one thing I want to bring up, though, is I'm thinking about the farmer who has thoughts of, I just don't want to do the cover crop or the natural thing that I'm not getting paid for, or I don't see the value in return to my fields right away. you could easily just respond, well, how could you afford, because the farmer will say, how can I afford to? And you would say, how could you afford not to take care of your soil? Is that what is? Are we beyond that initial back and forth about the importance of doing the work that you're doing?

[Taylor] I think so that they'll always be a dichotomy between at least ground on ground. You know, if you own that ground, you're going to do like you said earlier. You know, I'm going to hand this off to the next person, whether it's my grandchildren or the farmer that's buying it. They're going to appreciate the work that I put into building that soil. Organic matter. Some of those that are doing, you know, leased operations, you know, they're they're in it for that year and they really don't want to try to build soil organic matter. So I don't see that changing. what I do see is nutrient use. Efficiency is ubiquitous. You know, we should all be concerned about the cost of nitrogen and how much we can get in the corn. And so I don't think that is, going to get lost. There is efforts out there right now through the NRCs and Equip programs. you can actually get humic acids included in your programs for nutrient management. I forget the exact code. but yeah, you can actually include this new nutrient management and get paid to do it.

[Yeager] Did you get to go see the Rose Bowl? Maybe not necessarily the bowl game, but have you gone to see your work in with your own eyes there in Pasadena?

[Taylor] Yeah, it's a tough gig. I have to go out every year and there's a game going on in the background. Pretty. And what even makes it even worse is for the long. I'm a Utah fan. Right. So go utes. and and so I've had the last couple of years had to go out there and watch them get there beat up by Penn and then also Ohio State. So, hats off to those guys. Good football. But you know, I was it's kind of a little it's fun to go watch your team play. It's bad to watch them lose. It's a, it's a pageantry about the in the game and being a corporate partner for all these years. It's kind of finally fun and excited to see my team go.

[Yeager] Russell, I appreciate your time. Thank you for the insight. Good. Have a good day at the mines.

[Taylor] Thank you. Yeah, we're happy to be here, live with products and and happy to be invited on your show. Thank you.

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