Taking stock in a farmer's mental and physical health as spring arrives

[Yeager] Hi everybody. I'm Paul Yeager. This is the MToM podcast, a production of Iowa PBS in the Market to Market TV show. We're going to talk about health, and we're going to go both physical and mental with a friend of ours who we've had on before, Amanda Nigg from South Dakota. You know about her physical training, her Farm Fit training. We're going to talk a little bit about that, but just also how things are going, how physical health can make a huge difference in your mental health. And we're going to talk about, doing some things on your own, but also having communities and how important that tribe is in working together for the greater good. We hope you find this discussion good. If you have feedback for me, send me an email at Paul.Yeager@IowaPBS.org. New episodes of this podcast come out each and every Tuesday. Now let's get to Amanda. In the winter, ice is I think it's the only time I can ever, like, catch you spinning down. Is that. Does that seem about right?

[Amanda Nigg] No, that's 100% accurate. Like, I well, lately I've been in front of my computer a lot because my business is online and my husband gives me crap about it because he's like, you're always in front of your computer. But when the kids get home, I'm checked out. Like, I mean, I'm away from my computer. I'm paying attention to our family and what we got going on. And obviously definitely different during the season, like planting and harvest. I always joke around with people that I'm the we'll turn on our farm or the parts runner. So, I'm not as much sitting down, I guess. Well, I guess I'm sitting in the car.

[Yeager] But you are and but you you're it's planning. I mean, February, March. That's planning for spring. January might be a little bit of recovery, but it's also education. you. I can never keep track. Every time I see a poster of me, you're doing something else. I mean, how do you keep things organized?

[Nigg] I have a team. I'll be the first to tell you I'm not a one man show. Like there's no way I can manage everything. I have an amazing team, and they're a really cool part is we're all tied to agriculture, so we really understand this industry in and out. And we're all experiencing the exact same things when it happens to this industry. And so it's I mean, I appreciate these individuals that work with me, and I feel blessed and honored to have them on the team. But there's no way I could manage all this by myself. I would be living in front of a computer.

[Yeager] Well, and when we first talked to you, it was, kind of updating, it was just telling people your story, and how you. It wasn't necessary. An moment, but it was a moment where you realized I need to do something and I need to do it stat! And is that still what inspires you and motivates you on a daily basis?

[Nigg] Absolutely. Like I think we had was 2021 or 20?

[Yeager] It was either 20 or 21. It was it was, I hate to admit it, a while ago.

[Nigg] It was a hop skip a go. But yeah, I think we talked just after I launched farm for training, if I remember right. And we were talking more about my journey. And, you know, it is crazy to think about because, like, during that time still, you know, we were still navigating insurance. Our house burned down in 2020. we were still kind of going through that pandemic at the time. And we were talking, I talked about like why I launched Farm Fit Training. I hope you post with this video like other original conversation you and I had, because it'll be.

[Yeager] Linked, of course.

[Nigg] Yeah, I gave a lot of insight to kind of my journey and process of why I started Farm Fit training and, what my mission was, is definitely towards the agriculture community of where I really wanted to bridge that gap between physical and mental health. So, yeah, I mean, do you.

[Yeager] Think we're still well, do you think we're still there being motivated? is it is that still who you want to target? Hasn't changed.

[Nigg] No, actually, our mission statement is still the same. It like as far as the mission statement, which has always been the same since I started, and it's I give the ag industry tools and strategies to lose fat, build muscle, improve their mental health while creating a sustainable lifestyle. That mission is still true to this day. Like that has not changed. That has like the structure of who will want to work with what we do in the program. None of that has changed now. We've kind of gone away from like 1 to 1 coaching. just because we've had such high demand that it was really hard to turn people away. and we've more structured ourself into the group. So of coaching. So that side of things have changed where we've made ourself more available to take on more individuals and be able to help them process through, you know, the physical transformation. And I would love to actually fill this in here. Paul is like a lot of people don't realize that, you know, we talk a lot. There's amazing groups out there that talk about mental health, you know, or they're like one that I can think of as my Dr. Mellon's. I was actually on their podcast, they're doing a fantastic time talking about mental health, but a lot of people don't realize that sometimes the mental side of things calm once you start your physical transformation, it's not the other way around. Like a lot of people think, oh, I need to be in the right mental mindset to start a physical transformation. And it's actually backwards. Like sometimes when you start a physical transformation, it's going to be hard. Like it sucks in the beginning, you're going to be sore. But through that process, you start to understand yourself. You start to mentally check in with yourself. You start to see a whole different version of yourself that you never thought before. And so when people say, oh, it's about the mind and body connection, it is. It's more so you hit you, you start to work on your body, and that mental side of things actually come into play in more powerful and more prevalent into what you're doing every day.

[Yeager] It's the endorphins I get from getting on a treadmill or lifting weights or, doing yoga or pickleball or whatever it is. It's it's that. Does it necessarily push out some of those other toxins that, that might, weigh on us?

[Nigg] Like, are you talking about, like, physically working out, like doing a yeah.

[Yeager] What a physical workout does. And does that flesh out some of those? I guess I don't know if it's proper to say negative toxins, but those things that can maybe mess with our mental health.

[Nigg] Absolutely. I mean, well, endorphins are like our body's natural ability to build a happy pill, if you think about it. And endorphins come from a physical activity and it doesn't have to be complicated. It can be something simple like you just mentioned. You walk on the treadmill, something like that, you know, to get your heart rate up, or even being proactive in taking more steps throughout the day. You know, being more transparent of where you get your movement in. and that's one of the things that we kind of we don't kind of address within the agriculture community is because like in AGD, like technology is of fancy, you know, it's super cool. Like this past year or two years ago, I think it was, you know, this last year, sage came out with our quad track. Have you seen that thing that, like, thing is, like, I've seen pictures.

[Yeager] Yeah, I haven't seen it in person.

[Nigg] It turns by itself now, you know, at the end of the rows, you don't have to tend to zero turn by yourself like take out. And so what I'm trying to make here is like technology is advancing. But what's not advancing is the physical component within agriculture. And again, you have to be physical to be able to tap into your mental health. Like you have to be more proactive in getting that physical steps in and movement in, and also nutrition plays into that. You know, we approach nutrition completely different than 99%. And I can accurately say this, 99% of the space, the nutrition space or fitness space out there on social media is we approach it 100% different. We don't hand you like a cookie cutter nutrition plan. Like, for example, if you came to me and you're like, I want to do form fit training, I'm more educate you with wholesome mills that you can make for a whole family, not just yourself. And so it becomes that tripling effect where you're impacting those around you as well. So as you're working on your, your journey, it it bleeds into other parts of and aspects of your life and it becomes a whole different beast where you're working on yourself, but not just for yourself, but also your family.

[Yeager] You said there, let's go back to the technology side of things. I mean, agriculture has allowed us to sit on that tractor seat a lot and we don't get out there and shovel the corn. And like we used to, even, I mean, and that used to be the workout for a farmer to say, I'm working out before I go farm. I think even 20 years ago, maybe even ten years ago, they'd look at you funny. But it is so important to have that physical, I won't say acuity that's the wrong word, but that that physical task done at some point in your day, it is so important. Let's just start with your heart health, let alone your mental health. But do you have you found that the farmer has been more receptive to your approach in the last five years since you started?

[Nigg] It's actually been four years. So I've been here for my anniversaries tomorrow. Did you know that the farm trainings anniversary's tomorrow, which is February 5th of 2021, is when we open the I open the doors, and we're just wrapping up your four, which is crazy to me. I actually said that to my husband earlier today, and I was like, do you realize I'm wrapping up for years? And he's like, yeah. And I was like, I just feel like it's so long ago. And he's like, why? And I was like, I don't know. I just feel like it's. I've been in business for ten years. I don't know, this is how I feel, but I would have to say we're definitely more receptive because more people are paying attention. The biggest thing, you know, health is very talked about right now, especially on the political side of things. And not just that, like people are paying more attention. you know, and that was really highlighted in 2020, especially when we all went through that pandemic is like a lot of people realized how important taking care of yourself and being able to check in with yourself was a part of that process. And I think it just really opened our eyes to where a lot of people are like, oh, one day I'll start a fitness journey, or one day I'll start to dive into my nutrition where I was like, no, today I'm going to start into it because I don't want to be that 80 year old in a wheelchair in a nursing home. I want to be active. I want to be a part of the farming operation. I want to be here when the next generation comes on the farm and takes over and I think that's where it really opened people's individual's eyes. Like I have clients that are 70, I have all the way down to, I think the youngest client I have is 19. All the way up to like 80. You know, we we cover a huge range, when it comes to age. And, I mean, I can think of one client. Her name is Gloria. She's a farm wife. Stay, stay at home. And she joined. She was in her upper or low upper 60s when she joined us. And she was joined us in like 2022 or something like that. She's been with us for a while, and she joined us because her daughter joined the program and here's this lady, you know, seven years old, who has a six pack. Like, you know, it's not about esthetics, I will say that. But still, like, for her, like it was just this huge nutrition physical switch where she really was in tune with her body and what her body needs. And that's the biggest thing is like, you know, with Farm Fit training, I really wanted to hone in on that. Like, I didn't want it to be a typical fitness program. I really wanted to be able to educate people. The why and in the science behind everything, so that you understand what you're doing for your body. And that's super huge, because how many times do we do a workout and we're like, okay, that workout kicked my butt, but what was it going to do? Like, how is this benefit beating me by doing this workout? Or how is eating this type of nutrition like we do something called macronutrients, you know, so it's not a diet. You know, the first and foremost that were diet needs nutrition. But you know, for me, watching my mom always grew up on these random diets. I view the word diet as a restricted thing. Again, that's my mindset. You know, I think restrictive where macronutrients is more of a nutritional theory. So we're focusing on protein, carbs and fats and large amount to fuel our body. And so it's just that subtle mindset switch that happens. And it's so cool to see, especially in agriculture because, I mean, we were just talking about this. You and I, before we hit record. You know, agriculture, we have a massive problem when it comes to obesity in rural America and also suicides. And that's scary. You know, if you think about it, like obesity in rural America is 47%, in rural America, 47% are considered obese.

[Yeager] Is there any one reason why that number is so high?

[Nigg] So there's a huge case study that I read about it, gave into reasons of like access to healthier foods and stuff and which I don't agree with, obviously. and they also argue the case study, about being able to reach health care services and stuff like that. I don't agree with that either. you know, it's just the study for me was kind of left me with a lot of questions. It was just like, you know, I understand, like, for example, let's use me as an example here is the closest gym to me is 45 minutes away. One way. So I'm going to be honest, like for a busy mom farm wife, you know, we don't have hired help. So I'm, I'm, I'm a, you know, when my husband needs me to out there to lift a piece of equipment with him or do something like I'm his, his resource. And for me to make that make sense, you know, driving 45 minutes one way to a gym, it doesn't it's not feasible. It doesn't work with what I have going on. And so I think it's more access or being able to access, program that's available, that's close that you could do at home, where you can really educate yourself in the process of how to feel your body and how to take like a 15 to 25 minute workout, how that impacts your mental health and your physical health. You know, and it really changes that dynamic. And I have yet to see somebody that has created something similar to what I've created. not to toot my own horn, but it has been a journey. It has been a journey, creating this.

[Yeager] Well, let's go back to the first thing you said that you didn't agree with in the access to fresh food. Why do you not see that as, an answer for a reason?

[Nigg] Okay, so for me, case in point, we don't have chickens on the farm, but our neighbor does. I buy fresh eggs for my neighbor. You know, I pay $4 for a dozen eggs, and I get fresh farm eggs. we have a ranch, a friend that has a bunch of cattle that does ranching not too far from us. We buy a half a cow from him. So I buy meat directly from him. I don't think in rural America, we have access to food directly from your farmer or your rancher. you just have to be willing to go get it and not rely on grocery stores or food chains. You know, it's there. It's connecting back to for agriculture and connecting to those that are actually growing your food or raising your food. and so that's why I really have a hard time with that statistic, because it's like a lot of people don't think about that. They think, oh, I have to go to the grocery store to buy my groceries, or actually, you don't, you know, that's America. It's all over the place. There's people selling eggs to people selling beef that you can buy directly from them. You know, that's grown not too far from you or raised.

[Yeager] The eggs than the beef, and that might be a mile away. But in the farmers markets, they tend to be more seasonal in, in our, our land, in our areas. And so it becomes a lot harder to, to get those fruits and vegetables are those important to have in our diet. Do. And how do you fill that need.

[Nigg] You can buy from people online. So one of the things and I like noodles, I'm going to use noodles. For example, there is this company called our Three Farm Daughters. They're out of Grand Forks, North Dakota. Not only do they raise the wheat in, you know, the, the grain, but they also process it and package it, and you can buy directly from them. So like in rural America, you can get online and buy directly from the farmers. So like I order my avocados out of Canada, actually that comes straight from the farm to my house. Like in same with like some fruit. There's like there was a fruit campaign not too long ago where they were selling like apples, oranges and stuff like that. Again, I bought it directly from the farmer and it came directly to my house. So like, you can have access to that. You just have to look online, like you can buy directly from the farmer or rancher.

[Yeager] And that you're filling in, okay, you're on the farm, but what about that community 45 minutes away? That might not have that relationship with the farm? Where do I how do I get started that that I can get on my, my better eating and and local supply chain if I don't know anybody.

[Nigg] Well, I mean, you can go to the grocery store, I go to the grocery store, I don't want to sell well.

[Yeager] And I get there and that's and I'm and I'm, I'm totally on but I do too.

[Nigg] Yeah. Like, I mean, I shop at Hy-Vee. That's the grocery chain I because it's, employee owned. You know, that's kind of what I like to support. but if you want that connection, like the other day I posted about how we got half a beef or half a. I actually have a beef. It's actually half a steer, you know, and we stocked our free our freezer not too long ago. And I did a post about it. And I actually had a lot of people reach out to me and ask how I got started and what I told them was, go to your local butcher shop and just ask what local ranchers supply, or have people buy, and then start there. And then from there you can go build a relationship with that local rancher. And I connected a gal, not too far from us in a bigger city, Fargo, North Dakota. And a week later, she contacted me and told me that she connected with a local rancher, and she's actually buying her first quarter of a beef from him. And, you know, so it's thinking outside the box like, you know, if you want to buy your meat from the grocery store. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. I don't want to say that. But, you know, for me, I love being able to support the people around me, and especially locally if I can. Obviously, like, we buy bananas out of the grocery store and stuff like that. Like, I mean, I don't want to sound like I don't go to the grocery store. I do, but if I have an opportunity to connect directly from it directly to somebody that actually sells that product, and I know I can build a relationship with them, I'm going to go that route more than I am going to go the other out.

[Yeager] And I think the pandemic proved that we we needed to find different sources of our, our, our beef or our, our hogs, because there were butcher acts and several states that that helped some of those local butchers expand and, and have the opportunity to even make these purchases. So there's been movements in that way. let's look at the mental side here. If we could, in the last few minutes, you've got, there's always there's always stress on people. What whether it's, can't control the the weather, can't control the markets, can't control my family. You know, help me out. What am I what what how do I center some things here?

[Nigg] I mean, we're the world's biggest gamblers. Agriculturists, if you think about it. Is this exactly like you said, markets, weather. Like we throw everything up to chance, like nothing's given to us. And I mean, with that being said, it's a very stressful lifestyle. But with that being said, none of us would trade it. Like if you talk to my husband, which was supposed to join us, he chickened out. But, you know, none of us. It's a legacy. It's a tradition that we hope to pass to our children. And so, you know, with the mental health side of things, it's learning to control it and be able to have an outlet to where you can release it. You know, mental, stress is always going to be there, you know, and that's something that from the last time we talked, I actually got certified in stress management, is one of my newest certifications that I added to my plate because it is it's a very stressful industry and nothing's given to us. And we go by chance. We're very optimistic industry, if you think about it. And we worry about the future as well, you know, and especially with what's happening. And so to be able to process that and hit it good, you have to be leveled and checked in with yourself. You have to be able to have an outlet that's healthy. You know, obviously you don't want to turn to smoking or, you know, beer or alcohol. I'm not saying you can't have that in our program. I mean, it's back to macronutrients. Whatever fits in your nutrition profile. But, you know, again, moderation. So it kind of goes back to checking in with yourself. Like if you're not checking in with yourself daily, then how can you like it's back to that, analogy and you probably have heard of this, Paul. It's harder to pour from a half empty cup than a half full, you know, kind of think about that. Like there's it's the same amount of water in that cup, but it's that mindset, you know, when it's half empty, you're running on empty, you're on survival mode. You're protective. You're just going with the grind of things. You're stressed in the match, but when you're half full, you have more to give because you're checked in, you're in tune with what's going on around you. You approach situations a lot better, you know, like, for example, the farmer, my husband, he's a business. He's a business by himself. You know, a farm is a business. A ranch is a business. And the fact that he takes that time to check in with himself and just, you know, that 15 minute workout, you know, or, you know, I cook all our food on the farm, so I know he's eating healthy, like, and he's getting high protein, you know, and it's good food. But he's feeling his self for success, you know. And that plays into that mental side of things as well as when you're checking in with yourself and seeing in feeling your temperature. You approach situations a lot better with a mental clarity and you're not as stressed. You are able to build relationships better as well. I can't tell you how many couples we've had go to the program where they said their relationship as a couple got better because they were both physically working out and diving into nutrition. And so it just goes full circle where just something that simple, it builds a more stable in adults and individual where you can handle when things go awry or, you know, like this, like last year, we only got 25% of our crop in 25%. Like that could take out some farms, you know. But again, it's just sitting there and being able to check in with yourself and handle that and process that correctly and being like, you know what? There's always next year. Like this year freaking sucks. But there's always next year, you know, and some people that would have totally crushed them.

[Yeager] Well, Amanda, you know, farmer's an eternal optimist. Yes, they have to be. They have, but they're they're right. You're exactly if you're in the wrong industry, if you don't. But you've said a couple of things there that that stand out to me. And one is the agriculture and farming can be a very solo endeavor. And you have to fix things on your own. You are 45 minutes from town. You're three days from the part being shipped to you. Whatever. You're going to have to make it work because you know the storm is coming. But you also talk about the importance of a partner or someone else to help at least have a conversation with. Or maybe not necessarily, cook the meals for you, but talk things through. Walk me through the balance of the the solo lifestyle that a farmer can have versus the community that they can use and draw from to help.

[Nigg] Hey, I'm going to give you another analogy because I'm all about them. It's a Brigadoon. So, trust me, I got a book for, it's kind of like this. So we hire an agronomist, right? To take care of our soil health, to keep us up to date, to tell us what to do on our farming operation. You know what seeds to plant, what we'll do well, based on our soil and what's going on with, the land and an example of like that. They also go through chemical. You know, they do a lot of things. And what I want people to view us as is that expert, like, you know, we could have go figure it out. Honestly, like my husband to go out there and do it all himself. But we hire someone for their expertise. We hire them to train us and take us on the fast track, you know what I mean? And so that's where we are. We're like, you're fast track to physical and mental and emotional, well-being. You know, you can figure it out yourself. It's going to be lonely. A fitness journey is a journey by yourself. And it doesn't matter if you're married or if you're not. But at the same time, why wouldn't you want to connected, connect with like minded individuals and get a part of that system where if you are single, you're joining a program that has farmers worldwide. I mean, we're in Canada, we're international here where you're connecting with like minded individuals. there's a mission to be a better version of themselves. And it goes back to that. Like, you know, it doesn't matter if you're married or not married. The journey is still the same. You're still working on yourself. You're still showing for for yourself. But it doesn't have to be lonely. You can connect with individuals, you know, and we really focus on tribe. We have a community space in the app where individuals can talk. We I've had countless clients actually meet outside of firm for training because they built a relationship and a connection like my farmers. It's so funny. They'll talk about crap weather, what's happening, and next thing you know it, there's a picture in the community group chat of them at a firm show, and they met for the first time. And so it becomes kind of like a brotherhood sisterhood. I don't know how to explain it where you're connecting with it. A lot more individuals, in agriculture, and you're building those relationships and you're still working on yourself and you're still improving yourself, and it becomes truly a tribe where it's like, I'm not. Yeah, I'm working on myself and I'm wanting to improve where I'm at, but I'm not doing this alone.

[Yeager] And nor should you.

[Nigg] Know, you shouldn't.

[Yeager] It's not healthy. Oh, yes. The accountability partner. I mean, we just wrapped up the new year and everybody posted about New Year's resolutions. And, you know, I saw them in my feed, like, I'm sure you did to, you know, have a workout buddy or have a buddy that you're going to talk to about whatever it is, it's still important to have that friend. And in that friend might be a half a mile away, or they might be half a state away or or half a country away, but they're there and they're for you. That's important to find. Wherever that person is. It's it's important.

[Nigg] Absolutely. And it kind of you'll talk about mental health. It just knowing that somebody is there is a huge deal because it's like, you know, there's going to be days where you're just going to hit the fan and nothing's going to go right. Excuse my language, but, you know, just having in that group or that person to check in with, and be able to talk about it like, you know, I, I did another podcast earlier, in the week. And one of the things that we talked about is being able to talk about when you're struggling and that's that is a problem in agriculture because a lot of people in agriculture have that old mentality like, oh, just put some dirt on it and brush it off and you can work through this. But there's a lot of situations where you can't. And just having that resource where you can be able to release and talk through it and work through it, and having that community and that person and that coach, you know, we all need that. We all need that space, even strong individuals. And so it just it all encompasses all works together. You know, if you're stressed, if you're going through a mental health crisis, if, you're dealing with physical health, you know, or, you know, emotional health or whatever it is, you still need that, that community or that person to be able to work through issues.And that's why I always say I'm not a one man show like my team is absolutely fantastic. So there's days where I'm like, balls on the wall, like, let's go and throwing out ideals at, and then there's other days where like a couple weeks ago, I was super sick. we ended up having the plague go through our house, and me and the boys got it, and it was, I don't know what it was. I'm pretty sure of his influence. I, I don't even know, but, I mean, the boys were sick, and it was so cool to watch my team step up and be there for the community and still, you know, and be there. And they're checking on me. They're texting me and stuff, you know, and just showing that you care. And so it's it's all encompassing, you know, agriculture. We are freaking badasses if you think about it. I mean, we're just, you know, we are like, we I'm.

[Yeager] Going to have to put an explicit rating on this podcast. Now I know, thank you.

[Nigg] Sorry, I'm sorry about my word.

[Yeager] But we we have to we have to take it one day at a time. Yeah. And but but you have, as we said four years in your in your five. Now walk me through the next year to four years. Where do you see yourself and how this, this journey goes with helping others.

[Nigg] Well my mission is still the same like we talked about earlier. You know, it's still that's never going to change. in four years, my goal is to be able to impact over 100,000 farmers. not just farmers. I was, I have to say, people, individuals that are tied to the industry. And so, yes, we're talking about role America. We're talking about those people that work at industries like, you know, John Deere, KSAT, you know, Cat, all those industries as well, because, you know, it all leads back to agriculture. and so my ultimate goal is to be able to impact over 100,000 lives in the next four years. It's ambitious, you know, and to be, internationally, like, yes, we're internationally with Canada, but I would like to be over in Australia, UK, you know, and be able to impact even more overseas. Not just in the United States. Like I see myself being able to be that voice and to stand strong and be able to really, truly help our industry and change some lives where people have that space and that accountability and that group where they can come and check in and be able to, you know, check in with themselves and be like, you know what? Today was a crappy day, but I know tomorrow's a new day. I have my workout scheduled. I can check in with myself. I know what I'm making for lunch and dinner. I'm feeling my body and I'm just going to keep going and keep pushing forward and putting that one foot step forward every single day.

[Yeager] If someone wants to connect with you, how should they do it?

[Nigg] I'm on every oh, I shouldn't say that because I actually canceled my TikTok and snap. So don't find me over there because I'm not on there. But I'm on it. most of the big social media platforms under firm Fat Mama, it's firm Fat Momma. my page is really about me and my journey, I'll have to tell you that. But if they're interested in the business and the services that we provided, there is a separate business page called Firm Fit Training that they can get access to testimonials if they want to read some of the testimonials that we have, or if they're interested in what type of programs we offer, as well.

[Yeager] Amanda, great to catch up with you. I appreciate your time every time we chat.

[Nigg] I know, and I'm sorry I dropped a couple platforms in there.

[Yeager] Hey, that's just the way it goes. We'll see what the boss says if they were beeped or if they're on the, the, Maybe I could make that as a fundraiser. Now, that might not go well if I make the explicit version, who knows what we would do. All right, Amanda, thank you so much. Yeah.

[Yeager] My thanks to Amanda. And thank you for watching, listening or reading new episodes of this podcast come out each and every Tuesday. If you haven't, anything else you want to send me? Doing an email market to market at Iowa? PBS.org. And also, don't forget to sign up for the market Insider newsletter. You'll know what's coming out in podcast form before anybody else does. How cool is that? I'll see you next time. Bye bye.

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